No, Women Didn’t Ruin the Workplace. We Just Demand it Be Fixed.
I’m sure you’ve already seen it.
That New York Times interview that set women’s group chats on fire last week. The one that asked, “Did Liberal Feminism Ruin the Workplace?”
Actually, let’s rewind the tape. The original headline, the one they quietly changed after the appropriate amount of hellfire rained down upon it from every corner of the internet, was “Did Women Ruin the Workplace?”
Yes. Someone at the New York Times saw that headline, thought, this seems fine, and hit publish.
Over a thousand furious comments later, they edited it to that not-much-better version. But, no matter what they called it, the argument was the same: that the workplace is broken, not because of decades of corporate greed or nonexistent care policies, but because women, or more safely spun, feminism, made it “too soft.”
The episode was hosted by conservative columnist Ross Douthat and featured two conservative thinkers, Helen Andrews and Leah Libresco Sargeant, debating whether feminism has gone too far.
One argued that feminism “feminized” our institutions — that workplaces became too emotional, too cautious, too “gossipy” (which is rich, considering the entire conversation felt like listening into an unhinged watercooler sh!t talking session), too obsessed with “wokeness.” The other said liberal feminism failed because it asked women to behave like men instead of honoring their “natural dependence.” Natural dependence. I wish I was making this up.
In other words, according to this group, women either broke the system by entering it, or by trying too hard to succeed in it.
The immediate follow-up question to the headline should be a guttural “FOR WHOM? Ruined the workplace FOR WHOM?!”
If this feels like deja vu, that’s because it is.
When people in power — men or, in this case, women who benefit from the same old hierarchy — get uncomfortable, the blame always seems to land on women. And when institutions are asked to change, they twist the language of justice into a slur. “Wokeness” originally meant “awareness” and was born from Black movements for racial justice, a call to stay awake to systemic inequality. Now it’s thrown around like an insult, shorthand for being too conscious, too caring, annoyingly accountable. What’s really happening is that people are angry about being asked to look in the mirror, and to be held responsible for the systems they built and the harm they’ve ignored.
It’s not women who made the workplace “unbearable” in any sense of the word that matters; it’s the people who designed it to work only for one kind of worker — the kind who doesn’t do school pickup, doesn’t take their aging parents to the doctor, or doesn’t care for a newly born member of the family, regardless of their sex.
As hard as it was to listen to the entire conversation, there were two moments of stunning clarity and they were passed by as unceremoniously as a host-read ad for bedsheets.
At one point in the interview, Douthat says that after his last child was born, he looked at his company’s generous paternity leave policy and thought, “Well, if I take all of this, I’m going to fail as an employee, in some way.” Bonding with his baby would render him “uncompetitive.” A kiss of death.
Welcome to our hell, Ross. You have caught a glimpse into the reality of every working woman in America. That panic you felt, the sense that the system punishes you for stepping away to care for your family? Women live it every single day across the country.
And yet, it’s striking how this conversation talks about “choices” as if women have real ones. As if most mothers are gingerly deciding whether to stay home or work, as if either were hobbies to be signed up for. Most women, like most men, have to work — because our economy is built on their labor and their unpaid care. The real scandal isn’t that women want both; it’s that the system still demands both and supports neither.
As wild as I found that flippant comment about parental leave, it did accidentally open up a worm hole and shot us directly into the heart of the problem. Because right after, Leah Libresco Sargeant said something that, for the first time, hit on what’s actually broken.
“I think many employers and workplaces are not interested in the reality of the materials of the human beings they work with. And there is something unjust about building a system that chews people up and then tosses them on the scrap heap, or chews up their fertile years, promising them egg freezing and ignoring the fact that tends not to pan out, but by the time that happens, they won’t be working there anymore — it’ll be their problem, not yours.”
That, I agree with completely.
Because that — not women, not feminism, not “wokeness,” — is what ruined the workplace.
We built a culture that treats workers like machines, not human beings with bodies, families, and limits. We built companies that offer fertility benefits instead of child care, wellness apps instead of paid leave, “mental health days” instead of sane workloads. What’s broken isn’t that the workplace has become “feminized.” It’s that it’s still fundamentally inhumane. And it’s hurting men, too. Like Ross.
This is where I wish the conversation had gone. Because when you tune out all the noise, that’s the real issue. We don’t have a “feminism” problem. We have a reality problem.
We’re the only wealthy country without paid leave. The cost of child care now exceeds the cost of college in most states. And when schools close or daycares fail, it’s women — not companies, not government — who absorb the shock. That’s not some highbrow academic theory I came up with, that’s statistical fact proven out by the pandemic. We keep pretending that care is a private matter instead of the infrastructure that holds our entire economy together.
If conservative feminism wants to talk about “dependence,” we can. But, let’s talk about it honestly. Because on some level, we do agree. Families do depend on mothers. And for most women, that’s both a source of meaning and a source of constraint.
Because if we widen the lens for a second, every company in America depends on the unpaid or underpaid work of women, too. Every record-breaking quarter depends on mothers patching together impossible schedules. And every critic who sneers at a “feminized” workplace probably depends on a feminized home.
The good news? Fixing what’s actually broken about work isn’t rocket science. Paid leave. Affordable child care. Flexibility that treats workers like adults. Leaders who see care as strategy, not weakness.
A humane workplace isn’t some sinister feminist fever dream (though yes, we’d all appreciate the thermostat above 70°F). It’s what happens when we stop treating care as charity and start recognizing it for what it really is: a smart business strategy that’s good for everyone – women and men, families and companies, liberals and conservatives alike.
So no, women didn’t ruin the workplace.
We just finally asked it to work for all of us.




"Welcome to our hell, Ross. You have caught a glimpse into the reality of every working woman in America. That panic you felt, the sense that the system punishes you for stepping away to care for your family? Women live it every single day across the country." YES, Reshma! I thought the same thing when I listened yesterday.
What left me scratching my head after the interview was about the broader goal of our workplaces. What are they for? If the "workplace" is simply a vehicle for driving shareholder value and financial return, then yeah, maybe we "ruined" it by suggesting everybody pump the breaks, look around and register the impact our institution are having on individuals, families, society, the planet, etc... Maybe our instinct to optimize for the collective over the bottom line does erode corporate profits?
But so what? If we are going to truly honor the contributions of our women in the workplace, we need broader measuring stick for what makes an organization successful, beyond the P&L.
I read the entire, dreadful, version that appeared in the NYT, and then saw on video the exchange between the two conservative "feminists" over what virtues - if any - could be described as feminine. I then realized that the difference between these two conservative feminists is that one has internalized patriarchal misogyny and hates women deeply (Andrews), while the other (Sargeant) is comfortable with hierarchies based on 19th century pseudoscience about the biological basis of gender roles and natural (white) male superiority. Elsewhere, I found a piece by Andrews about how "HR" and then "HR ladies" (her term) have ruined the workplace by offering workers a safe place to express their grievances. She truly is a Dickensian nightmare villain, steeped in the female-hating right-wing Catholic tradition. To see her sneer at Sargeant in the video is to gain access into her dark soul.